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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:49 pm
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Where is the ram frequency on this mobo bios? I am looking in the
M.I.T. section and can't see it at all.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:11 pm
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On 19 Jan, 00:49, bornfree wrote:
> Where is the ram frequency on this mobo bios? I am looking in the
> M.I.T. section and can't see it at all.

Well I see it, but it is greyed out.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:35 pm
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On 19 Jan, 01:11, bornfree wrote:
> On 19 Jan, 00:49, bornfree wrote:
>
> > Where is the ram frequency on this mobo bios? I am looking in the
> > M.I.T. section and can't see it at all.
>
> Well I see it, but it is greyed out.

Ok nevermind. I'm a doofus. (apparently the way to overclock these
boards is by using the DRAM multi.)

I have an Intel E6300 (1.86Ghz stock) with my Gigabyte P35-DS3P. Can
anyone recommend a good starting overclock?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:04 am
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"bornfree" wrote in message
> On 19 Jan, 01:11, bornfree wrote:
> > On 19 Jan, 00:49, bornfree wrote:
> >
> > > Where is the ram frequency on this mobo bios? I am looking in the
> > > M.I.T. section and can't see it at all.
> >
> > Well I see it, but it is greyed out.
>
> Ok nevermind. I'm a doofus. (apparently the way to overclock these
> boards is by using the DRAM multi.)
>
> I have an Intel E6300 (1.86Ghz stock) with my Gigabyte P35-DS3P. Can
> anyone recommend a good starting overclock?

1.87GHz Wink

Seriously, even though it's a different motherboard, read through
this info on bios settings, voltages etc:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300_8.html

The cpu itself is a good overclocker, but you may run into other
limiting factors far short of what it's capable of.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:20 pm
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Fishface wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > Where is the ram frequency on this mobo bios? I am looking in the
> > M.I.T. section and can't see it at all.
>
> Like the rest of the Gigabyte boards I've seen, it's probably hidden
> to annoy and confound users. After first entering the BIOS setup,
> press <Ctrl> + F1 and one of the menus will have more advanced
> tweaking options.
> http://hardwarelogic.com/news/132/ARTICLE/1132/2007-08-17.html

Ok I have worked the FSB(?) up to 300, and let the bios decide what
was best for the ram. It set it to 750.

Running nice. A bit faster. Hotter, but cooler is ok. Stable so far..
will run prime tonight.

CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
though :confused:.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:05 pm
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bornfree wrote:
> Where is the ram frequency on this mobo bios? I am looking in the
> M.I.T. section and can't see it at all.

Like the rest of the Gigabyte boards I've seen, it's probably hidden
to annoy and confound users. After first entering the BIOS setup,
press <Ctrl> + F1 and one of the menus will have more advanced
tweaking options.
http://hardwarelogic.com/news/132/ARTICLE/1132/2007-08-17.html
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:55 pm
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On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
> > though :confused:.
>
> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> Which CPU do you have?


E6300. 2 cores.

See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.png
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:02 pm
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On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
> > though :confused:.
>
> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all cores by
> checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager,

Orthos running + Windows Performace tab + temps.

http://i11.tinypic.com/850vlts.png

CPU got a bit hot. (Idle temp around 54/55)
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:15 pm
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On 20 Jan, 00:02, "RobV" wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
> >> bornfree wrote:
> >>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
> >>> though :confused:.
>
> >> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> >> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> >> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> >> Which CPU do you have?
>
> > E6300. 2 cores.
>
> > See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
> >http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.png
>
> It's Intel's attempt to confuse you. Wink In CPU-Z (and anywhere else,
> AFAIK), Intel CPUs are identified by the model number * and * the stock
> frequency.
>
> As shown in CPU-Z, Specification, you have a 6300 @ 1.86GHz.
>
> I have a 6600, which shows up in CPU-Z, Specification, as a 6600 @
> 2.4GHz
>
> Lower down at Core Speed, the actual clock speed of the CPU is listed.
> Mine is 3006 MHz. The spec and CPU information will always show 6600 @
> 2.4GHz, even if the CPU actual clock speed is higher (or lower).
>
> Now, to your system. You have the Core Voltage set to 1.408V (don't
> know if that's under load, or not).
>
> Lower left side, Core Speed is 1800 MHz, or 1.8 GHz, so you're
> underclocking the CPU. Just below, you'll see why. The multiplier is
> x6.0 and the FSB is 300 MHz, for an * effective * FSB (x4, or Quad
> Pumped) of 1200 MHz. CPU speed is x6.0 X 300 MHz FSB, which equals 1800
> MHz.
>
> Unless you set the multiplier to x6 (the lowest, I believe), it was set
> by Speed Step, which Fishface mentioned. In BIOS, go to the Advanced
> tab, open CPU Configuration and disable Modify Ratio Support, then set
> it to the max value (or vice versa).
>
> Disable C1E
> Disable Intel Speed Step at the very bottom.
>
> This should give you a stable multiplier and Vcore so you can actually
> test the limits of the CPU, without Speed Step changing things on you.

Ok. First of all, I need to say I am a beginner at this so I didn't
understand everything you said.

Secondly, prime says my CPU is 2100Mhz. Mobmeter also says 2.10Ghz....

I can't have underclocked it, because my CPU temp is way higher than
previous.

Ok I got it. Here it is under load:

http://i18.tinypic.com/82w528j.png
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:28 pm
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On 20 Jan, 00:11, "RobV" wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
> >> bornfree wrote:
> >>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
> >>> though :confused:.
>
> >> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> >> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> >> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> >> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all
> >> cores by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager,
>
> > Orthos running + Windows Performace tab + temps.
>
> >http://i11.tinypic.com/850vlts.png
>
> > CPU got a bit hot. (Idle temp around 54/55)
>
> Yeah, you have Speed Step enabled. Notice it's now running at 2100 MHz,
> which means the multiplier was changed. Read my response I just posted
> to your previous post.

I did. I understood about 25% of it.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:45 pm
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On 20 Jan, 00:21, "Phil Weldon" wrote:
> 'bornfree' wrote:
>
> | See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
> |http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.
> _____
>
> Your reported core voltage (1.408 volts) is unnecessarily high. Dangerously
> high, in fact. So high that your overclocking would very likely limited by
> excessive heat before ANY OTHER REASON. Immediately reduce your CPU core
> voltage to the automatic default level set by your specific CPU. Do not,
> for any reason, change the automatic default core voltage UNTIL you have
> attempted a mild overclock, then increased that mild overclock until you hit
> instability.
>
> Before you post again, read my reply to another of your multiple threads
> about keeping your post organized into ONE THREAD.

I have no idea why your panties are in a twist! It's my system I am
putting at risk, not yours. Keeping your blood pressure low is much
more important than keeping your CPU in good condition.

I left all my voltages set to automatic. What do you think it should
be set to?

> Again, you are on the road to destroying your CPU. Step back, breath
> deeply

I think you are the one who needs to breathe deeply!

Dangerous CPU voltage = potential CPU failure.
Dangerous blood pressure = potential heart failure.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:35 pm
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On 20 Jan, 00:11, "RobV" wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
> >> bornfree wrote:
> >>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
> >>> though :confused:.
>
> >> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> >> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> >> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> >> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all
> >> cores by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager,
>
> > Orthos running + Windows Performace tab + temps.
>
> >http://i11.tinypic.com/850vlts.png
>
> > CPU got a bit hot. (Idle temp around 54/55)
>
> Yeah, you have Speed Step enabled. Notice it's now running at 2100 MHz,
> which means the multiplier was changed. Read my response I just posted
> to your previous post.

Thanks for all your posts Rob. Than have really helped me out here!

I am grappling with disabling speedstep. Been looking through the
manual, google, and the Bios without any luck.

According to one forum Gigabyte call it EIST (whatever that stands
for). But I can't find that either!
Anyway, thanks so far, you've been a big help.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:02 am
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bornfree wrote:
> On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
>> bornfree wrote:
>>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>>> though :confused:.
>>
>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
>> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
>> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>
>> Which CPU do you have?
>
>
> E6300. 2 cores.
>
> See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
> http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.png

It's Intel's attempt to confuse you. Wink In CPU-Z (and anywhere else,
AFAIK), Intel CPUs are identified by the model number * and * the stock
frequency.

As shown in CPU-Z, Specification, you have a 6300 @ 1.86GHz.

I have a 6600, which shows up in CPU-Z, Specification, as a 6600 @
2.4GHz

Lower down at Core Speed, the actual clock speed of the CPU is listed.
Mine is 3006 MHz. The spec and CPU information will always show 6600 @
2.4GHz, even if the CPU actual clock speed is higher (or lower).

Now, to your system. You have the Core Voltage set to 1.408V (don't
know if that's under load, or not).

Lower left side, Core Speed is 1800 MHz, or 1.8 GHz, so you're
underclocking the CPU. Just below, you'll see why. The multiplier is
x6.0 and the FSB is 300 MHz, for an * effective * FSB (x4, or Quad
Pumped) of 1200 MHz. CPU speed is x6.0 X 300 MHz FSB, which equals 1800
MHz.

Unless you set the multiplier to x6 (the lowest, I believe), it was set
by Speed Step, which Fishface mentioned. In BIOS, go to the Advanced
tab, open CPU Configuration and disable Modify Ratio Support, then set
it to the max value (or vice versa).

Disable C1E
Disable Intel Speed Step at the very bottom.

This should give you a stable multiplier and Vcore so you can actually
test the limits of the CPU, without Speed Step changing things on you.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:03 am
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On 20 Jan, 02:49, "Fishface" wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > I am grappling with disabling speedstep. Been looking through the
> > manual, google, and the Bios without any luck.
>
> > According to one forum Gigabyte call it EIST (whatever that stands
> > for). But I can't find that either!
>
> Got a screen like this?http://pic.xfastest.com/hicookie/ga_ds3p_v33/bios-0002.jpg
>
> Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology, I think...
>
> What RAM do you have, anyway? My E6400 is running 426 x 8 in
> a Gigabyte P35-DS3L at I think 1.3125 volts. Well, it doesn't have
> a video card in it at the moment, but it did! You are perhaps limited
> a bit by the maximum 7 multiplier of the E6300 and RAM speed, but
> can probably go much higher.

Cheap RAM.

I managed to google up a page from my BIOS Intelligent Tweaker page on
the web.

1) http://techgage.com/reviews/gigabyte/p35c_ds3r/gigabyte_ds3r_bios_08_thumb.jpg
2) http://techgage.com/reviews/gigabyte/p35c_ds3r/gigabyte_ds3r_bios_09_thumb.jpg
Taken from http://techgage.com/print/gigabyte_ga-p35c-ds3r (Just over
half way down the page).

Also, this is what it looks like without the extra options expanded
(Ctrl+F1)
http://idg.bg/anketi/asemblirane/2007/0916115231-img_20070619T182255000.JPG

A light blue row means that rows' settings cannot be modified at the
current configuration.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:11 am
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bornfree wrote:
> On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" wrote:
>> bornfree wrote:
>>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>>> though :confused:.
>>
>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
>> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
>> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>
>> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all
>> cores by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager,
>
> Orthos running + Windows Performace tab + temps.
>
> http://i11.tinypic.com/850vlts.png
>
> CPU got a bit hot. (Idle temp around 54/55)

Yeah, you have Speed Step enabled. Notice it's now running at 2100 MHz,
which means the multiplier was changed. Read my response I just posted
to your previous post.
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